R*** M*** W*** defends himself

Unlike Islamofascists, Nazis or Communists I am nothing if not a democrat who believes in free speech (so long as it doesn’t incite violence). W*** has posted in my comments section so I’ll post them in full (with the exception of the address he’s dug up for me).

W***;

«you have one thing wrong..i live in munich now….and for the hate mails i got…..they are kinda funny and nasty :)…..iam a liberal and supported israel for as long i can remember
and calling me a nazi….thats a kinda low blow….and funny for me
pamela geller just watch here on tv…..she is nothing than pure hate»

«i think i hit a nerve with you…. you tried to manipulate my message….but what do I expect ….I didn’t say I despise here because she is Jewish
I despise her because she is hateful and if anybody disagrees with her is called anti Jewish and a Nazi , I have news for you millions in the USA hate that women like I said not because she is Jewish because she is a hate monger….and she plays the Jewish card… at first I didn’t even know she was Jewish( did you ever watch her on TV you should get that in Russia) she alone brings that up she alone spreads the hate against Muslims and anybody who speaks out against her…and it looks like you are not better than her…..and if people read your message what you left me there is no surprise there are so many anti Semites out there look in the mirror you are no better and don’t judge people who you don’t know …I said in my e-mail that millions of people NOT ONLY Jews died in the hand of the nazis and
it is the hate who killed that people and she is spreading the same message the nazis used…DO NOT TRY TO MAKE UP EXCUSES FOR THIS WOMEN…..if you watch the old movies from that time with Josef goppels it almost the same..no it is the same its pure hate….
if you read the e-mail what I got from her you would be ashamed defending her …..you hide behind some web site and try to judge everybody who disagree with you and you try to bully me too….there is a FBI office not far from my place in Munich and I will talk to them tomorrow….you can call me anything you like I know what I am and what MY beliefs are…..
maybe i should put your messages up on some of the right wing sites IN THE USA AND RUSSIA ….but i wont i am better then you hate mongers ……..something is wrong with people like her and you….it looks like every fiber in your bodies are filled with hate AGAINST PEOPLE WHO STAND UP AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS HATE
AND IF YOU DONT KNOW (SHE KNOWS) THERE WHERE 2 MOSQUES IN THE 2 WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS…..you call me a nazi ….just look in the mirror»

«ONE THING I FORGOT……I GOT SOMESOME GREAT E-MAILS …..I DONT KNOW WHAT KIND OF WEBSITE YOU ARE RUNNING BUT SOME OF THEM WHERE SO DISGUSTING AND I THINK THE FBI WILL BE VERY INTERESTED IN THEM….I NEVER EVER BEEN CALLED A FAGGOT AND SOME THREATENT TO HURT ME……IF SOMETHING HAPPEND TO ME WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU MADE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ..
I DONT CARE IF YOU HAVE MY E-MAIL UP….BUT IF YOU DONT REMOVE MY NAME I WILL SUE YOU FOR EVERY CENT YOU GOT….AND TRUST ME CYBER HARRASMENT IS ILLEGAL AND THE FBI WILL GO AFTER YOU…..SPECIAL AFTER THAT 18 YEAR OLD KID WHO KILLED HIMSELF LAST WEEK
HE WAS GAY TOO…..AND GOT BULLIED …..AND THIS HARRASMENT COMES FROM YOUR WEB SITE
THE COURT WILL JUST LOVE THIS»

To which I replied

Okay so let me get this straight? Your three points are;

1. You didn’t know she was Jewish, but this is disproved by your very comment «that good jews got killed from then nazis and cunts like you got away» in other words «bad Jews.»

2. You say I manipulated your words but I printed your hate mail in full and have allowed you full right of reply.

3. You think I am anymore repsonsible for the hate mail generated by this post than Pamela Geller is for your hatemail? Its hilarious that you think you would have a legitimate case with the FBI when this all started with your own anti-Jewish cyber harassment. Its called Irony.

When you go around telling Jews you disagree with to go to concentration camps, and you happen to be German to boot, do you really think people are going to take your arguments or protests that you’re not a bigot seriously?

 

Update, You can read the dialogue between myself and W*** in the comments section. It looks like he’s truly embarrased at being caught out. I have issued a challenge to him. If he posts a letter of apology on my blog comments section I will forgive him. I don’t actually think he’s a bad guy I think he might have just made a rash decision which we all do sometimes. Who of us isn’t guilty of this sometimes? As a show of my forgiveness I will let him do a regular article here on Gay or German issues here if he wants.  I think he’s gotten a taste of his own medicine. What do you say? To show I’m serious I’m going to cover up his full name as I don’t want him receiving anymore hatemail from anyone.

R*** M*** W*** defends himself: 11 комментариев

  1. iam reading more and more info about you on the net….you are just a bully and try to intimidate me and many others who disagree with you and from what I can see on the net people look at you with disgust ( like one lady wrote she is proud to be on your hit list) ….you call me a bigot ..but you are the biggest one of all you hide yourself behind some Ukrainian web site without taking any responsibilities for your blog people should stand up against bully’s like you….what I wrote to her was a response to her hatred and you manipulated that message ..but people like you think they can get away with anything you don’t even have to guts to post your e-mail but its out there already…..

    you had no business posting my info on the net….and so I will do the same I will forward your info to other web sites…they should know who and what you are

    there is a lot of garbage on the Internet….and some real hateful sites…and I started to check them out

    I was never interested in that…but YOU really made me aware of that…I get some e-mails from your web site

    and most are disgusting being called a fagot doesn’t bother me but I will post them on some of the gay web sites and they will know it came from your blog……I saved most of them and I will forward them to the FBI and I bet they will be interested reading them…after all the Internet bullying that’s going lately and I bet the courts will be too (how many people killed themselves lately being bullied )….you went to far by posting my private info on here…I also informed the administrator of your site…you blame everybody but take a good look in the mirror …you called me a Nazi a antisemite a bigot(that’s very funny) and what’s more funny I actually got some e-mails supporting me…..i am against everything you stand for and people who know me will stand up for me.. when I lived I sf I actually supported a small Hasidic synagogue who was around the corner from my business I owned there…but attacking me didn’t help your cause I forwarded your web site and your attacks to many of my friends and gellers hateful blog….and a copy what I actually posted there and why…..like i said you went way to far with this and it got way out of hand….

  2. you know how I found out she was Jewish….when she was ranting on TV against the mosque in NY and made the point she is Jewish ..she brought it up….nobody else!!!!! she said because she is Jewish she doesnt want that mosque there you didnt see that interviw !!! i deleted the Fox chanel after she was on from my tv i was so disgusted with what she said
    cunt was maybe a little harsh but she is a nasyt hateful person

    I made the point that millions of good people got killed and 70 years later we are back to the same hatred
    because of people like her…..she stirs up the hatred against everybody who disagrees with her

    it doesn’t matter if she Jewish black white green liberal or right wing….the only thing that’s matter is the hatred she stirs against other people…..do you even know who she is and read her blog????????

    and yes you manipulated the message I posted….

    and yes all the hate mail I get is generated from your blog…..there is no comparison to the hateful mail I get right now to what I wrote on here blog …and I don’t think the FBI will find it hilarious and it was not anti Jewish harassment it was a response to her message of hate!!!!!!! she brought it up on her TV appearance

    why is it when anybody disagrees with a Jewish person he’s called a anti Semite ?

    but what really saddens me is.. I come from a family who been against the nazis from 1933 on and being called a anti Semite because I disagree with the hate what’s around right now….people like geller dont make the world a better place she bring out the worse in humanity….if I lived during the nazi time i would stood up against their hatred like i stand up against hers….and you can trust me on that

  3. I have to actually thank you …we finally decided to set up a web site linked from a new face book site to set the record straight …your site will be linked to my site and they can access my site from your link you posted

    it will show what I really said about her and what you are all about…and people can make an informed decision…..there will be a link to copies of all the hate mails I got from your blog with the e-mail info from the senders and you can not hide behind some Ukrainian server……it will show my work with the SF AIDS foundation… shanti project..my 25 year relationship with my Jewish partner…I never said she should be send to a KZ what I said is hate and hate speech like hers made Auschwitz possible and her hate for anything different then her view would fit right into Auschwitz because hate intolerance bigotry and racism made the holocaust possible and hate is her trademark, the holocaust did not start with murder it started with hate speech…but that was 70 years ago now its 2010 and we have to stand up to people like her …and to hatemonger’s like the pastor in Florida who tried to burn the quran . its like Heinrich Heine said first the burn the books and after that people…and we have to confront this kind of bigots whoever or whatever they are if you don’t get that then I feel sorry for you

    I first thought to post your info on some of the web sites but I decided against it except for the LGBT community I have many gay friends all over the world who will have access to the new face book….one of the reasons not posting your info is while going trough some of the sites I came on some really anti-Semitic garbage …maybe you should check them out and harass them if you have the balls for it, but I don’t think so, if they find out who you are they will go after you, you just want to go after people who try to make the world a better place without hate intolerance bigotry and racism but iam not sure you get this you are kind of narrow minded ,two sites you will find interesting http://www.davidduke.com http://www.jewwatch.com and second I don’t want you or your family going trough hatemail like I did… i have higher morals … and this are the real nazis Internet harassment is a real problem and you tried to totally distort my record…what would you have done if I told you I will jump in the front of a high speed train in Munich because of the hatemail and harassment I got from your blog and you personaly ??????????????????????????????? like i said before you had no idea who I am and what my beliefs are….

  4. «iam reading more and more info about you on the net….you are just a bully and try to intimidate me and many others who disagree with you and from what I can see on the net people look at you with disgust ( like one lady wrote she is proud to be on your hit list) ….you call me a bigot ..but you are the biggest one of all you hide yourself behind some Ukrainian web site without taking any responsibilities for your blog people should stand up against bully’s like you….what I wrote to her was a response to her hatred and you manipulated that message ..but people like you think they can get away with anything you don’t even have to guts to post your e-mail but its out there already…..

    you had no business posting my info on the net….and so I will do the same I will forward your info to other web sites…they should know who and what you are

    there is a lot of garbage on the Internet….and some real hateful sites…and I started to check them out

    I was never interested in that…but YOU really made me aware of that…I get some e-mails from your web site

    and most are disgusting being called a fagot doesn’t bother me but I will post them on some of the gay web sites and they will know it came from your blog.»

    I love gay people I’m pro-Gay rights and Gay marriage etc I’m on record as saying this publically. I never even mentioned you were gay, nor do I care.

  5. «.after all the Internet bullying that’s going lately and I bet the courts will be too (how many people killed themselves lately being bullied )….you went to far by posting my private info on here.»

    But you just admitted you posted my details on other websites. I only posted your name because you should be named and shamed for what you said. You still haven’t actually apologised for it. You obviously are embarassed that I traced your hatemail back to you.

    «i was so disgusted with what she said

    cunt was maybe a little harsh but she is a nasyt hateful person

    I made the point that millions of good people got killed and 70 years later we are back to the same hatred

    because of people like her…..she stirs up the hatred against everybody who disagrees with her

    it doesn’t matter if she Jewish black white green liberal or right wing….the only thing that’s matter is the hatred she stirs against other people…..do you even know who she is and read her blog????????

    and yes you manipulated the message I posted…. »

    You told her to go to Auschwitz. Its that simple. I haven’t altered your words. You said that good Jews died there but she deserves to go there. If you didn’t mean it because she was Jewish then why didn’t you say «good Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals etc died there» you specified Jews because you knew she was Jewish and it would hurt. You’ve been busted. Just accept it. It must be embarrassing for you as a Gay German to be busted calling for Jews to go to gas chambers. Its not very PC.

    «and yes all the hate mail I get is generated from your blog…..there is no comparison to the hateful mail I get right now to what I wrote on here blog …and I don’t think the FBI will find it hilarious and it was not anti Jewish harassment it was a response to her message of hate!!!!!!! she brought it up on her TV appearance »

    But the hatemail directed at you is a response to your message of hate. You’re being illogical. I condemn any anti-Gay hatemail but I never even mentioned your gay so you can’t blame me for it. You haven’t actually described how Pamela Geller is being Anti-Muslim anyway?

    «why is it when anybody disagrees with a Jewish person he’s called a anti Semite ? »

    Dude, come on, you told a Jewish person to go to Auschwitz!

    «I have to actually thank you …we finally decided to set up a web site linked from a new face book site to set the record straight …your site will be linked to my site and they can access my site from your link you posted »

    I’m looking forward to how you justify your hatemail. Priceless.

    «t will show what I really said about her and what you are all about…and people can make an informed decision…..there will be a link to copies of all the hate mails I got from your blog with the e-mail info from the senders and you can not hide behind some Ukrainian server..»

    How did your email to Pamela Geller differ from the copy she posted on her blog and I posted here?

    If someone said «Gays deserve to be sent to the Gas Chambers» to you would you be upset?

    «I never said she should be send to a KZ what I said is hate and hate speech like hers made Auschwitz possible and her hate for anything different then her view would fit right into Auschwitz because hate intolerance bigotry and racism made the holocaust possible and hate is her trademark, the holocaust did not start with murder it started with hate speech…but that was 70 years ago now its 2010 and we have to stand up to people like her …and to hatemonger’s like the pastor in Florida who tried to burn the quran . its like Heinrich Heine said first the burn the books and after that people…and we have to confront this kind of bigots whoever or whatever they are if you don’t get that then I feel sorry for you »

    Again, you said;

    «»that good jews got killed from then nazis and cunts like you got away….auschwitz would been a good p;ace for you….your hate would fit right in there»

    I’m not altering it one iota. I didn’t even correct your grammar or spelling.

  6. Have you actually read the Koran or Islamic literature? Pamela Geller is not a hater for trying to protect freedom of speech, worship, religion etc and for pointing out Islamic hate. There have been 16,000 Islamic acts of terror since 911 inspired by the Koran

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Everyday Islamic leaders and Imans preach hatred of Jews, Christians, Hindus, Gays etc

    http://www.memritv.org/

    Terrorist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood (Islamic Nazi) Hamas use Islamic literature to justify violence against Jews like;

    «The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.» (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

    To point out that Muslim leaders are being hateful is not hateful.

    «www.jewwatch.com and second I don’t want you or your family going trough hatemail like I did… i have higher morals … and this are the real nazis Internet harassment is a real problem and you tried to totally distort my record…what would you have done if I told you I will jump in the front of a high speed train in Munich because of the hatemail and harassment I got from your blog and you personaly ??????????????????????????????? like i said before you had no idea who I am and what my beliefs are…. »

    Look, you seem like you regret saying it. If this is truly the case then please feel free to email me a letter I will post on my blog regretting your words as rash, apologising, and we will put it behind us. Everyone makes mistakes and to your credit you’re not standing by your words you seem to feel bad about them. If you do this I will forgive you and I’ll even let you do a regular article of Gay or German affairs on my blog?

  7. I had birthday yesterday….and a I got many e-mail from friends including one from Vancouver …one of my best friends who used to live in SF lives now in Vancouver he’s also a member of ACT UP …by the way he’s Jewish…I send him all the hate mail I got, he also writes for the Xtra a gay paper in Vancouver they doing a future on that 18 year old kid who killed himself and about Internet harassment ….was kinda funny he told me he knows about a Steve Berfman who open or try to open a art gallery in Vancouver(you grew up in Australia right?)….making money from the gay community?????? BUT DONT WORRY YOU WONT GET ANY HARRASMENT LIKE I DID…

    I read all the books the bible the Koran …even all the Jewish books even I am German!!!!! I can even pray in Hebrew my partner is a good teacher and we even visit the synagogue in Augsburg one of the few synagogues who survived the war…you thought iam some stupid redneck but i am highly educated and give anybody their dues

    but not too people who spread hate…I will stand up to anybody who spreads hate if they American Jewish and especially to the German neo Nazis …I think its disgusting what’s on the web , but read her blog it sounded like Josef goppels wrote it…there will be always hate around but if we let people like her and others get away with it they will start to burn the books again (case in Florida!!!!) I stood last year in Berlin in front of the Humbolt University where they burned the books in the 30’s …and I felt ashamed …..not every Moslem is bad not every German was bad and not every Jewish person is bad….but there are always bad apples in every culture

    I felt ashamed because Germans where and been one of the highest educated people in the world its the language of Heine, Goethe, Edith Stein, Felix Mendelsohn….and if the holocaust can happened there it can happened every where!!!!!!!!!! special when you have people spreading hate like geller…i do not understand whats her hate is all about…we are all human beings it doesn’t matter what country we come from or what religion we have…there where always bin laddens the spanish inquisition the crusades and we need to stand up to people like this …a single person can manipulate whole countrys!!!!!!!

    I would respect you much more if you stand up to geller…there is no reason for her hate there have been 2 mosques in the world trade center
    Bark ata Adonai Eloheinu melekh haolam, bore minei bsamim

    like I told you my other half is Jewish…and we getting married next month in Munich…German law permits that….

    the last thing I want to tell you…I the 1920 and early 30’s my great-grandfather was major in my hometown

    he was physically removed from office and verbally attacked ..the reason was he refused to be a Nazi party member….ever German official was forced to to be a member of this murderous organization….

    in April 1945 my grandfather told the major who the nazis put in office YOU NAZIS ARE THE FIRST TO RUN WHEN THE RUSSIAN COME OVER THE HILL….the next day this guy denounced him and he was arrested and send to a SS camp…he only survived because the war was almost over…and this is a true story……….I was so insulted from the e-mails I got from your web site calling me a Nazi …ah one more thing ..I am not the only gay person in my family and 70 years ago half of my family would been killed too……YOU GOT MY E-MAIL…AND IF YOU WRITE ME I WILL NEVER EVER POST IT ANYWHERE…..I don’t have any reason to apologize non at all…. maybe what I wrote was harsh

    but not as harsh as gellers blog and the hate mail i got…and you should have known how many hateful nasty people are out there and with the Internet they can do anything they like…..and you posted my e-mail my name….anything could happend!!!!! think about that before you do that again….not everybody is a Nazi or a antisemite !!!! if you cant disagree with people…humanity is over…..

  8. listen fighting hate with hate never brought anything good…they shoud be brought in the front of a court…..and judged
    check out this site……THEY ARE NOT JUST AGAINST ME….THEY ARE AGAINST YOU TOO THEY WOULD KILL US both IF THEY COULD…..you have to out them for their hate and what they are they dont care if you are jewish or iam gay…..

    if you just hate them we are on the same level they are….this is the most evil site i ever saw in my life…and they are in amerika …….in germany they would be all in jail for years….

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

  9. one of the about 20 i got you had to know when you posted i lived( thanks god iam not there anymore) in sf that i will get hate mail…..i hope you are happy about this….like i said my friend has them and he can do whatever he wants withe them….and your name will be on it ….it came form your blog…..if he does it good luck with your gallery!!!!!!!!!

    Subject: I’m sure glad you live in SF, CA and far from all you sand monkeys Date: 10/4/2010 1:06:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time From: rosenthallisa@ymail.com Reply To: To: Mark94131@aol.com CC: BCC: Sent on:
    Sent from the Internet (Details) Internet Address Card Attached

    Sent from the Internet (Details) Internet Address Card Attached

    You’re a rapist faggot pedophile like mOhammed.

    Islam is garbage

  10. It looks like the bottom line of your rambling emails is that you don’t feel you need to apologise for your hate email. If that’s how you feel its how you feel.

  11. So your logic is she deserves hatemail because she doesnt like Muslims hatred of Jews and others? But hatemail directed at you for your hatemail against her isn’t justified? So you and the Muslims are the only ones allowed to hate but the victims of your and their hatred are Nazi’s if they defend themselves? Right?

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